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Blancaej
08-28-2016, 03:27 PM
First of all, I want to apologize to this forum that I even need to post this here. But I hope you understand why I am doing it!

I was recently unfriended on Facebook by not one but 3, possibly 4, people for coming back on this forum! They apparently think I am buddy buddy with someone on this forum now and in no way can I be a friend of theirs anymore. Well, I would have to agree with them. I don't need friends who act like this and can't let go of the past!

The sad part is I came back to this forum to support Mare when she lost Amigo. I wasn't planning on staying on long, maybe for about a month or two. While here I figured I might as well chat with others who I have missed since I last signed on and be active. I also agreed to help with the photo contest because Suzanne asked and I had the time. Apparently out of the 5 of us I am the only one that can put my feeling aside for what happened a long time ago to support a friend and talk to those who I have missed on this forum. This is the most childish behavior I have seen in a long time!

This is a message to those of you who unfriended me, because I know you are watching!

If you don't like this forum or certain people on it THEN STOP COMING HERE LURKING TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON OVER HERE!! Get over it and move on with your lives! Hanging onto this baggage is not worth it! You are letting all of this effect your friendships. Try growing up and act like adults! Losing my friendship is your loss not mine as far as I'm concerned with this kind of behavior!

There, I have said my peace! Thank you for letting me vent here!

Blanca

Dragonlady2
08-28-2016, 04:47 PM
Blanca, I am truly sorry that this has happened for you. I know that we, at PP appreciate your support at this time. I also wish that people could be less vindictive and more forgiving. Life is too short to let an Internet forum dictate who your friends are. Thank you Blanca for having the positive spirit to move on from the past differences. :colorflash:

Blancaej
08-28-2016, 04:59 PM
Thank you Helena! You have all been nothing but kind and welcoming since I have returned. I'm sure I will be here longer then a couple of months. ;) My life just gets crazy when the holidays hit! LOL!

It is sad to me that any of this had to even happen. :(

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 07:03 PM
Oh no Blanca ! My invitation to you was purely of good intent, I cannot understand why others may think of this as some kind of betrayal on your part, how unfortunate something so genuine In your support for Mare losing Amigo can become a toxic issue.

It is truly disheartening that many of our human relationship's are conditional. Yet we reach out to our animal's for unconditional love and acceptance.

Sincerely, Suzanne :breeders::th_sadhug:

Blancaej
08-28-2016, 07:48 PM
Oh no Blanca ! My invitation to you was purely of good intent, I cannot understand why others may think of this as some kind of betrayal on your part, how unfortunate something so genuine In your support for Mare losing Amigo can become a toxic issue.

It is truly disheartening that many of our human relationship's are conditional. Yet we reach out to our animal's for unconditional love and acceptance.

Sincerely, Suzanne :breeders::th_sadhug:

I know it was Suzanne. I certainly can't understand it either. I guess we all know why we love animals so much. I am even more thankful for my good friends who have been supportive here at home and my family.

plax
08-28-2016, 08:21 PM
Many of us know the identity of the individual to whom you've referred, Blanca. For those who don't, it would be yours truly. It's easy to tell from your words that you don't care for me personally. It's as well easy to tell that you and some others have trouble detecting the important connection between what occurred in the past on PP and what we continue to stand for. And I have to say that this is one of the most upsetting factors for me, since my reason for maintaining an accessible history of PP's past events is in no way for the sake of "hanging on to the past". Instead, it has been a means to chronicle the huge challenge entailed in maintaining our important pet safety standards - and that's in practice, not just with verbiage. I'm sure that I will never understand how anyone can hold other issues, be they social or what have you, as priorities above that one.

The history of PP and the trials and tribulations we have been through are integral elements of our mission. I would never wish to conceal any part of those elements from anyone. I want each of our members to have the freedom to assess for themselves whether PP's priorities mesh well with their own. That's why I believe that leaving our history of related disputes intact is so important. When a person does not agree with me that activist intervention is, at times, warranted by a companion animal support organization's management layer, and that said management layer is justified in standing firm on the philosophy that drives such intervention, our community may not be the best fit for them.

I sincerely appreciate your decision to return and contribute positively to our community, Blanca... irrespective of how long you decide to stay. People tend to like you. And beyond that you are an efficient and prosperous organizer. However, after reading your OP in this thread, I can see that it's unlikely your feelings will ever change toward me. Sadly, I'm unsure whether anything can be done to remedy that apparent fact because my philosophy with regard to protective measures for companion parrots will never change, and I will thus continue to stand against unnecessary risks when I feel doing so is called for.

That said, feel free to post whatever you like in this section. That is its intended purpose.

Tony


First of all, I want to apologize to this forum that I even need to post this here. But I hope you understand why I am doing it!

I was recently unfriended on Facebook by not one but 3, possibly 4, people for coming back on this forum! They apparently think I am buddy buddy with someone on this forum now and in no way can I be a friend of theirs anymore. Well, I would have to agree with them. I don't need friends who act like this and can't let go of the past!

The sad part is I came back to this forum to support Mare when she lost Amigo. I wasn't planning on staying on long, maybe for about a month or two. While here I figured I might as well chat with others who I have missed since I last signed on and be active. I also agreed to help with the photo contest because Suzanne asked and I had the time. Apparently out of the 5 of us I am the only one that can put my feeling aside for what happened a long time ago to support a friend and talk to those who I have missed on this forum. This is the most childish behavior I have seen in a long time!

This is a message to those of you who unfriended me, because I know you are watching!

If you don't like this forum or certain people on it THEN STOP COMING HERE LURKING TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON OVER HERE!! Get over it and move on with your lives! Hanging onto this baggage is not worth it! You are letting all of this effect your friendships. Try growing up and act like adults! Losing my friendship is your loss not mine as far as I'm concerned with this kind of behavior!

There, I have said my peace! Thank you for letting me vent here!

Blanca

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 08:55 PM
Maybe it's not about you Tony ! :th_hmmm: Don't go looking for trouble it comes on it's own :th_eek:



Tony respectfully, I don't' read into what you are referring to from Blanca's post, this is a vey sensitive issue from the past. Please, let it be, to all who were involved in this volatile issue, keep it in the past. Lets all move forward.

Tony, please try to realize we all know how passionate you are about your stance on Parrot safety, our mission, is to guide people on the right path to responsible companion bird ownership. Sometimes, in your Zest to impress upon us the need to implement these guidelines, can become misunderstood, by suggesting, that some people do not have capability to discern right from wrong, regarding what your implying, as far as social popularity goes." Especially with long-time Aviculturist ".

Although, I must say you are the "Most Fair Admin". I have ever encountered on a Forum, by that I mean, you allow "All Members to Partake " their opinions without getting banned who are not in agreement with you.

And for that I'm most appreciative of.

by allowing us to express points of view in a respectful way.:th_smile:

In that regard, is why I find P.P. to stand-out among the rest. As small and humble as we are. I can vent and speak without the fear of being shunned.


Where else can you counter an Admin. Just Sayin out of love :breeders:
:grouphug:

plax
08-28-2016, 09:31 PM
Suzanne: You can say whatever you like in this section and you won't be banned, that's true. But in order to be on staff here you are expected to support PP's opinion and philosophy that many folks do make poor choices and thus expose their pets to unnecessary dangers. It happens every day and there are myriad examples of it throughout the Internet. Just browse YouTube for cat or dog with bird videos. There are tons of them! Many pet forum sites allow posting of such media as well. The pet owners make the photos and videos because they know most folks consider them "adorable" and that "adorable" is quite popular, especially on the Internet. Such folks are also aware that it follows that more "adorable" equals increased online popularity (i.e., better social status, more 'likes', etc.). So creating lots of "adorable-ness" becomes the priority for these folks and pet safety is unfortunately relegated to a secondary concern.

My position is not holding onto the past by any measure. But it has been easy for certain people to accuse me of doing so because it's their only defense for supporting many of their friends who maintain a hands off approach as far as pet safety.

Please understand that standing against this hugely dangerous human behavior and the sites that promote and/or facilitate it is a rare practice among Internet communities. And that's precisely why far too many birds and other small pets are needlessly maimed or slaughtered on a continuing basis around the world. Someone merely stating that they oppose such conduct is not enough, by any measure! We absolutely must be activists to a point here. It's far more important than human fun and games! If that's not a plan that you feel you can subscribe to, Suzanne, please let me know as soon as possible. I've been up front with this issue from day one and I thought you were aware of my position and agreed with PP's philosophy concerning the matter.


Maybe it's not about you Tony ! :th_hmmm: Don't go looking for trouble it comes on it's own :th_eek:



Tony respectfully, I don't' read into what you are referring to from Blanca's post, this is a vey sensitive issue from the past. Please, let it be, to all who were involved in this volatile issue, keep it in the past. Lets all move forward.

Tony, please try to realize we all know how passionate you are about your stance on Parrot safety, our mission, is to guide people on the right path to responsible companion bird ownership. Sometimes, in your Zest to impress upon us the need to implement these guidelines, can become misunderstood, by suggesting, that some people do not have capability to discern right from wrong, regarding what your implying, as far as social popularity goes." Especially with long-time Aviculturist ".

Although, I must say you are the "Most Fair Admin". I have ever encountered on a Forum, by that I mean, you allow "All Members to Partake " their opinions without getting banned who are not in agreement with you.

And for that I'm most appreciative of.

by allowing us to express points of view in a respectful way.:th_smile:

In that regard, is why I find P.P. to stand-out among the rest. As small and humble as we are. I can vent and speak without the fear of being shunned.


Where else can you counter an Admin. Just Sayin out of love :breeders:
:grouphug:

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 09:42 PM
There, I have said my peace! Thank you for letting me vent here!

Anytime that's what Tony Created this thread for...Venting is good ! we all need to drop the rock !

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 09:49 PM
Suzanne, please let me know as soon as possible. I've been up front with this issue from day one and I thought you were aware of my position and agreed with PP's philosophy concerning the matter.
I agree , what seems to be the conflict, Whenever someone happens upon P.P. with what your describing , we take action! Have we not!
When have I not supported you in your Vision/ Mission. With a due respect, For you to assume otherwise is disappointing, just because I don't express myself exactly as you perceive I should. (Does not mean that I'm less than you) in your passions for the safety and wellbeing of companion Birds.

Respectfully, if you think that my passion and vision is not up to par with what you are Looking for in a Moderator, Please let me know as soon as possible>

plax
08-28-2016, 10:11 PM
I agree , what seems to be the conflict, Whenever someone happens upon P.P. with what your describing , we take action! Have we not!The "conflict" is that effective protection for companion birds from predator pets is genuinely the inciting element that started the referenced 2014 disruption. Such protection has always been the mission at PP; we were in fact founded because of this very topic! Those individuals (staff members included) who opposed my efforts to enforce our policy in this regard found themselves hard-pressed for a basis to their opposition and thus went rogue against PP management (i.e., me). They claimed that my motivation was actually about power and control, virtually ignoring the genuine motivation which was (and continues to be) animal safety. Thus whenever I hear that my actions in the matter were for some sort of personal gain, it both hurts and bewilders me. The fact that some folks can be so wrong in their assessment of the matter and about me, and seemingly because it provides them a convenient opposing argument, is quite disturbing.

plax
08-28-2016, 10:21 PM
When have I not supported you in your Vision/ Mission. With a due respect, For you to assume otherwise is disappointing, just because I don't express myself exactly as you perceive I should.Within the following statement for one...


Maybe it's not about you Tony !That was a bit rude and presumptuous. And a few other things that you wrote were not only non supportive, they were as well challenging. And a few were even in opposition to the priority value here. Human social bonds will never win out over bird safety on PP. Please remember that.

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 10:39 PM
Thus whenever I hear that my actions in the matter were for some sort of personal gain, it both hurts and bewilders me. The fact that some folks can be so wrong in their assessment of the matter and about me, and seemingly because it provides them a convenient opposing argument, is quite disturbing.

Ok I see where this is a very personal event for you, back in (2014), although I was not around to witness this . I can understand how this has made a devastating impact in your overall trust in people. Life is cruel and unfair, be it wild or domestic,. I can understand how possibly you have your guard-up, given that Blanca has been participating here recently, and is opening-up old wounds, " For the Both of You"

From the outside looking in, as I am, my view is not clouded with the history that you both have shared.

What I clearly see, is Blanca reaching out to mend the wounds, and embracing, all that you envision by publicly stating so right here on P.P.,

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 10:42 PM
OMG...Tony that's not true, Your being overly sensitive. Once again...Respectfully why is it ok for you to be blunt and speak their mind. But somehow no one else can without you getting offended.

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 10:46 PM
Maybe it's not about you Tony !
Where in this statement does it have to do with bird safety / Your putting a spin on it...Respectfully !

plax
08-28-2016, 11:14 PM
From the outside looking in, as I am, my view is not clouded with the history that you both have shared.It's also not replete with the important details.


What I clearly see, is Blanca reaching out to mend the wounds, and embracing, all that you envision by publicly stating so right here on P.P.,Not even close. You're missing a lot, Suzanne :(

plax
08-28-2016, 11:20 PM
OMG...Tony that's not true, Your being overly sensitive. Once again...Respectfully why is it ok for you to be blunt and speak their mind. But somehow no one else can without you getting offended.You spoke your mind. You can do that. But while you are staff you are expected to support our policies. If you don't see the connection between past events and the text that I am responding to in a thread, it would be best for you not to make any statements opposing my response. If you were not on staff you would be able to say pretty much whatever you like about me because you would not be representing PP. I hope that makes some sense to you.

Blancaej
08-28-2016, 11:20 PM
My intent was never to cause an argument here. The only reference to you Tony in my OP was the person I am supposedly buddy buddy with. That is supposedly you. The rest was strictly aimed at the girls who unfriended me. I do realize in my first paragraph that I was a bit vague But my statement where I said "well I have to agree with them" I simply meant I agree that I can't be friends with them because of THEIR behavior. None of this was directed at anyone here!

Will we ever be friends or buddies Tony? Well I think you know the answer to that. Not likely. But I do respect your knowledge about companion parrots. And I appreciated your post on my thread about Coqui picking. I also understand your passion about keeping birds safe because I agree. But I don't always agree on your approach to getting your point across. But as adults we should be able to respectfully agree to disagree.

I only did this post to make a point to those that unfriended me because they need to let this go on stop stalking this forum!. That was the ONLY reason. I even apologized to everyone on this forum for posting it, in the first sentence no less, but I'd hoped you would understand. That apology was meant for EVERYONE here Tony.

Please, let's not make this into something is was never meant to be about! I didn't come here to make trouble. Just to chat with some friends. Like it or not, forums are a social environment. ;)

I think that is all that needs to be said. :)

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plax
08-28-2016, 11:23 PM
Maybe it's not about you Tony
!
Where in this statement does it have to do with bird safety / Your putting a spin on it...Respectfully !The whole point is that the dispute has always been about bird safety! But you, like others, perpetually attempt to divert this fact by stating that I'm trying to make it about me. When you do that, it clouds the root impetus of bird safety for those who choose to try and follow the discussion. So you are thus committing a disservice to our bird safety mission.

You simply didn't detect the cues. You shouldn't be so self-assured that you have perceived everything correctly, Suzanne. And certainly not to the point of criticizing the players involved.

Blancaej
08-28-2016, 11:29 PM
It's also not replete with the important details.

Not even close. You're missing a lot, Suzanne :(
Read into it what you want Tony but it's not about what you think it's about. Not at all. Get over it! I'm done with the drama!

What does my tittle say? Let's just all go back to posting about our birds. Shall we??

I accidentally liked the above post I am referring to and can't remove it ony phone. But I don't agree!
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The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 11:36 PM
You spoke your mind. You can do that. But while you are staff you are expected to support our policies. If you don't see the connection between past events and the text that I am responding to in a thread, it would be best for you not to make any statements opposing my response. If you were not on staff you would be able to say pretty much whatever you like about me because you would not be representing PP. I hope that makes some sense to you.
I do support the policy's here.... AND POSSIBLY MAYBE EVEN MORE THEN YOU, YOUR ROYAL HIENESS ... YOU TOTALY TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT...AND PUT YOUR OWN DELUSIONAL SPIN ON IT. WITH YOUR CRIPTIC PRESENCE. SO ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THIS IN YOUR ARCIVES! SHOW IT ALL TONY , OR IS IT ONLY FOR THE THE BENEFIT OF YOU VICTUMIZED EGO .THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST Ridicules WAST OF Time ON HERE ... You just sit here like a sniper waiting to shoot people down
instead of proactively guiding them....good luck... I'll FOLOW THE SICENCE WHERE IT TRULEY S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF AVICULTURE.
DO ME A BIG FAVOR AND BAN ME !

plax
08-28-2016, 11:42 PM
You have to do a great deal more than that to get banned, Suzanne.

The Pinkertons
08-28-2016, 11:47 PM
You have to do a great deal more than that to get banned, Suzanne. Tony you need to chill-out for gods sake!!!! OH I see I've been stripped of my non essential status !!!! oh my god my life has ended.

The Pinkertons
08-29-2016, 12:07 AM
It's been a pleasure meeting you all . I wish each and everyone of you the best of luck in your life journeys ,
Take care... Just passing through, on to greener pastures
:breeders:

Dragonlady2
08-29-2016, 12:14 AM
All I can say is that this thread has gotten a little derailed. At the end of the day, as members, we have a common goal with regard to our parrots. Just my opinion, for what it's worth, although we are all very passionate about our birds and hence the emotions that are part of that passion, I hope we can find a way to disagree without the emotionality that ensues. I am feeling exhausted. :torn:

The Pinkertons
08-29-2016, 12:21 AM
All I can say is that this thread has gotten a little derailed. At the end of the day, as members, we have a common goal with regard to our parrots. Just my opinion, for what it's worth, although we are all very passionate about our birds and hence the emotions that are part of that passion, I hope we can find a way to disagree without the emotionality that ensues. I am feeling exhausted. :torn: Unfortunately, Helena , It seems if you are not a mini-me of Tony, it's not relevant. I wish you all the luck. :breeders:

mdg1109
08-29-2016, 10:15 AM
Blanca,

Generally with people like this they have some kind of issues that they cannot seem to deal with, it is better for you that they are no longer friends, people like that are toxic and can bring you down.

I applaud you for standing your ground and being a mature adult and for pointing out that it is their fault not yours! You are a good friend to be here to support Mare and that reflects in your character and the person you are. :big_hug:

Blancaej
08-29-2016, 11:25 AM
Blanca,

Generally with people like this they have some kind of issues that they cannot seem to deal with, it is better for you that they are no longer friends, people like that are toxic and can bring you down.

I applaud you for standing your ground and being a mature adult and for pointing out that it is their fault not yours! You are a good friend to be here to support Mare and that reflects in your character and the person you are. :big_hug:
Thank you Michelle. :)

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Mare
08-29-2016, 04:31 PM
Ugh!..as my mom would say.."For Christ's sake!!..knock it off!" Tony,,relax..we know your views and I think we are all respectful of them. Suzanne, please don't leave.. Blanca, you know I love you and am so happy you came back to support me in my time of loss with Amigo and to visit old friends.

All the drama is exciting, though!! It got MY blood pumping! :)

plax
08-29-2016, 06:03 PM
Tony,,relax..we know your views and I think we are all respectful of them.This entire issue at PP could have been avoided from 2013, onward. Such would have been the case if only each of our staff members would have embraced our primary bird protection effort from day one. That is, instead of their opposition and retaliatory efforts, if each of them had sincerely stated: "PP's bird protection policy and active role of advocacy for birds at risk are absolutely both warranted, simply because of the countless birds who continue to be brutally and unnecessarily slaughtered and, very importantly, because neither casual suggestion nor diplomatic kindness have any effect on the many folks who perpetuate this ongoing horrific carnage!" But many of our staff folks refused to acknowledge said truths, much less make a statement supporting our efforts against them. Those truths can never be overstated, and they can never be raised often enough. At least this will be true for as long as the unconscionable carnage ensuing from the acts of reckless pet owners continues.

And Mare, please know that I was quite touched by Blanca's support for you during the aftermath of Amigo's passing. She's obviously your good friend and cares a great deal about your pain. It was strictly the vague references to past incidents at PP (and to me) in her thread starter post that seemed to trivialize the importance of why this whole matter initially developed years ago.

Why do I feel strongly enough toward this subject to be an activist advocate instead of taking a passive approach? The answer comprises two reasons: 1) Because the former has impact that can make a lasting impression, whereas the latter has no effect and fades into nothing. And 2) because perpetual slaughter from the described negligence is an incessant horror.

Mare
08-29-2016, 06:19 PM
Ok, Tony..you've made your point, time to chill. Folks are different, most that I come across either do what's best or don't give a damn. I think everyone here cares and care deeply about their birds or they wouldn't be here.

plax
08-29-2016, 06:34 PM
Ok, Tony..you've made your point, time to chill. Folks are different, most that I come across either do what's best or don't give a damn. I think everyone here cares and care deeply about their birds or they wouldn't be here.Some folks indeed give a damn but are merely ignorant and headstrong. They don't realize the genuine dangers because so many others support their poor choices. Those are the ones who ignore casual warnings and focus on creating more "adorable" shares. And those of us who care deeply about our own birds don't necessarily care as deeply about the birds of others at distant locations in the world. Nonetheless, those birds in the possession of others are just as sentient, just as fearful, have the potential to feel just as much pain, and can become just a lifeless as each of our own birds.

Dragonlady2
08-29-2016, 07:41 PM
I think that some people who have jumped on the bird ownership bandwagon these days are at times a reflection of the tremendous changes society has undergone in the past few years. The Internet has provided lots of videos and pictures of "cute" birds and birds and predator animals together, that it has created a false ideal of what it really takes to safely care for these creatures. They don't research because they think there is nothing to research. This is not all cases....but certainly a large number of cases. Many years ago in my late teens, I had an Amazon. At that time, his cage would have been considered adequate. I am ashamed to say that my canaries have bigger cages. He was out when the dog was loose in the house. He ate sunflower seeds, oranges and loved fries and toast. I didn't know any better. There was no internet and I didn't even realize that what I was doing was not in his best interest. It's not much different today where ignorance is the issue. I support the principal behind PP and it's stance on bird safety, but I know from personal experience that being confronted about how I provided care would have fallen on deaf ears. People communicate and take in information in many ways. I would hate to see lost opportunities to educate those that may be receptive. Tony, you have one way of communicating, Alice has a different way, Suzanne had her way and I have my own way. In the end, the goal is the same, safety of the birds. Ideally, with all of us imparting the same message, albeit differently, we should be able to reach a large segment of the people that pass through PP. Just my thoughts.

plax
08-29-2016, 08:17 PM
I support the principal behind PP and it's stance on bird safety, but I know from personal experience that being confronted about how I provided care would have fallen on deaf ears.While true in many cases, it's also true that the casual suggestion approach will typically fail to impart a forceful message that stands out enough to be noticed by those who may be receptive and who happen to read the dialog long after the thread has become inactive, as well as for others who may do the same infinitely into the future. It's those permanent impactful messages that stand the greater chance of jarring someone into thinking about the potential consequences from their actions. The subtle soft messages are simply unable to produce an ongoing forceful effect in this way.


People communicate and take in information in many ways. I would hate to see lost opportunities to educate those that may be receptive. Tony, you have one way of communicating, Alice has a different way, Suzanne had her way and I have my own way. In the end, the goal is the same, safety of the birds. Ideally, with all of us imparting the same message, albeit differently, we should be able to reach a large segment of the people that pass through PP. Just my thoughts.That's one way to look at it, Helena. Again, though, the soft approach tends to blend in with the noise. And above all, I shouldn't have to deal with opposition from my own staff members concerning the impactful bird safety messages that I put forward. It's difficult enough to get through to folks on this issue, regardless of the method utilized. When my own staff becomes angry and publicly attacks me stating that I'm overreacting, it tends to cloud the vastly important messages that I'm attempting to deliver.

kendrafitz
08-29-2016, 08:50 PM
I am sick of the drama too. But honestly, titling a thread "sick of the drama" is an invitation for more drama. Which it obviously provoked. Not in the way intended I'm sure Blanca. I'm sorry for whatever it is you are going through with your friends.

Not trying to be mean or rude, just my opinion. I have little patience for this stuff, especially since I have kids who are teens. Who by definition are full of drama, but at least they have hormones for an excuse.

Most of us here are grown ups and should be able to agree to disgree and move on without rehashing stuff from years ago. Live and let live. Real life must be pretty boring for the people that have time to rehash stuff that happened ages ago. Actually, maybe I am a bit jealous. I would love to have enough free time to rehash past events. I don't have enough time to remember what I did yesterday.

This is crazy and needs to stop. Tony owns the site and has rules that are clear. Either deal with it or don't. Meaning if you work for him do what he says or just step down and be a member. Just like any other job, he is the boss. Members are free to discuss whatever, moderators uphold the rules. I am not just talking out of my ear. I was a mod, couldn't do the job and stepped down. Still a member years later, no issues.

On the original post, again I'm sorry Blanca. But really, how good of friends are they really if they stop talking to you over something so petty? It's small, childish and just sad. Their loss. And if they are still stalking the forum as you say it is really depressing. Simply bc they are letting anger rule their lives. Who wants to live like that?

Ok, I apologize for the rant. I just needed to get this out bc it has been driving me nuts since I read it last night.

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Dragonlady2
08-29-2016, 08:50 PM
You see it as a"soft approach". I see it as utilizing whatever means necessary to get the message across.
I am hoping that your comment regarding staff " challenging" you is not about me. I was not commenting on past posts in this thread re: issues between you and Suzanne, but was rather generalizing on the impact of communication and how it is perceived by others. I understand your need to communicate your beliefs on this topic and I actually support it, but it is not my style. I hope that I have the freedom to communicate in a way that works for me....same message, different style. At the end of the day, I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror and stay true to who I am. I continue to support PP in anyway I can as I see the importance of this forum and it's message.:th_smile:

Blancaej
08-29-2016, 09:51 PM
I am sick of the drama too. But honestly, titling a thread "sick of the drama" is an invitation for more drama. Which it obviously provoked. Not in the way intended I'm sure Blanca. I'm sorry for whatever it is you are going through with your friends.

Not trying to be mean or rude, just my opinion. I have little patience for this stuff, especially since I have kids who are teens. Who by definition are full of drama, but at least they have hormones for an excuse.

Most of us here are grown ups and should be able to agree to disgree and move on without rehashing stuff from years ago. Live and let live. Real life must be pretty boring for the people that have time to rehash stuff that happened ages ago. Actually, maybe I am a bit jealous. I would love to have enough free time to rehash past events. I don't have enough time to remember what I did yesterday.

This is crazy and needs to stop. Tony owns the site and has rules that are clear. Either deal with it or don't. Meaning if you work for him do what he says or just step down and be a member. Just like any other job, he is the boss. Members are free to discuss whatever, moderators uphold the rules. I am not just talking out of my ear. I was a mod, couldn't do the job and stepped down. Still a member years later, no issues.

On the original post, again I'm sorry Blanca. But really, how good of friends are they really if they stop talking to you over something so petty? It's small, childish and just sad. Their loss. And if they are still stalking the forum as you say it is really depressing. Simply bc they are letting anger rule their lives. Who wants to live like that?

Ok, I apologize for the rant. I just needed to get this out bc it has been driving me nuts since I read it last night.

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Thanks for your response Kendra! I totally get what you are saying. I only titled the post that way to get the attention of those coming on just to troll. I guess I was a little to determined to get my point across to them. I wanted to embarrass them really. But this post ended up being about much more then that. I seem to be the only one who can let go of the past out of those involved! And you are right, they are not good friends and I am glad to have nothing to do with them at this point. They are not worth keeping in my life. Good rant! ;)

plax
08-29-2016, 10:15 PM
Kendra: Thanks for your thoughts. I hope I've reasonably explained why Blanca's OP incited my response. It appears that you understand my position in that regard. Granted, Blanca's primary goal was most likely not to rehash the huge staff dispute on PP that occurred in 2014. But her references to said dispute (and to some of the individuals involved) nonetheless suggested that perhaps the bird protection policy here is too trivial to have generated such a conflict. I vehemently disagree with that view! To me, nothing could be more important than the thoughtful protection of feathered companions who rely upon their human caregivers for safety.

Helena: I was in no way referring to you concerning being challenged. And I agree that each staff person should work with his or her own style when addressing bird protection issues. I was merely stating that in general I feel it is beyond inappropriate for an individual whom I have appointed to a moderator role, and thus entrusted to support the values that this website was founded upon, to undermine my efforts to express our bird protection policy in my own way.

Cedardave
08-31-2016, 01:46 AM
Maybe I'm late to the party..but it seems to me that this thread has become hurtful and judgemental.There is no question we all come here with the best interest of our birds...their health,safety nutrition etc.Without really knowing the past history of what has gone on between members,let's remember why this forum stands out above the rest.The knowledge base and compassion here doesn't exist on many forums...perhaps we shouldn't lose track of that.If the past can remain in the past where it belongs...why don't we learn from it and focus on the present and look towards the future.Beyond that lets try and behave like adults and not become just like the other forums.PP is a place I come to share ideas,learn and offer advise to those interested in my opinion.As for those opposed to Tony's ideals and passion for the well being and safety of our and others companion birds....how can anyone dispute the idealology of a safe ,risk free environment for any animal..be it bird,dog cat etc.Deep breath everyone...lets get back to being what this forum is about. My 2cents worth.