400 birds seized from Georgia doctors home..

[lolsavannahh]

Not sure if any of you heard yet but just 2 days ago 400 parrots and other companion birds were seized from a Decalb county home in Georgia.. These birds are being held for the court date, but will ALL soon need new loving homes. If you or anyone you know has ever wanted a companion bird and can properly care for one PLEASE let them know about this!

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[Dragonlady2]

Yes, I have seen this story as well as another one where there were 200+ parrots rescued. I had no idea that 30 parrots were dead when they were all rescued. This is too sad and horrible for words.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention here. Hopefully, the poor birds will find new homes soon to begin the road to recovery.

[The Pinkertons]

A doctor no less. How deplorable. Typical example of an animal hoarder. :(

[Lady]

Wow it is truly sad that those birds had to live that way.

[The Pinkertons]

400 birds seized from Georgia doctors home.. What kind of Doctor is this ? Just goes to show, title does not equate to sound judgment ,knowledge, common sense, compassion , I could go on and on. To much suffering in this world, in the hands of humans.

[lolsavannahh]

Not sure the type of doctor.. but just know he is one. it is sad that someone we deem with such high esteem can also make such bad choices...

[The Pinkertons]

not sure the type of doctor.. But just know he is one. It is sad that someone we deem with such high esteem can also make such bad choices... so , so, sad :'(

[Casper's 2nd best friend]

If ever there was a reason for the registration or licensing of parrot ownership this is at the top of the pile.

[The Pinkertons]

If ever there was a reason for the registration or licensing of parrot ownership this is at the top of the pile.Absolutely, as with all exotics & domestic alike.

[lolsavannahh]

I've never thought of it before... but I actaully think I agree that there should be some kind of license you need to have to own an exotic parrot. I feel that would bring the mortality rate down and also help keep people educated.. Maybe they have to go to a class before they can get the license or something? that sounds like a great idea.

[The Pinkertons]

Maybe they have to go to a class before they can get the license or something? that sounds like a great idea.

People need to be made accountable for their actions, and prove their commitment to a living creature. Hopefully this will come to pass. But at what cost of suffering must these helpless creatures endure.

[Dragonlady2]

Although, in principal, I agree with some kind of licensing or Registration, I don't think in reality it would work without strict enforcement.

This doctor also had 8 dogs that he was not legally able to have on his property. No one followed up with that. In these hoarding situations, dogs, cats and birds etc....who follows and checks the bylaws with those people? This is all too common.

This is also a powerful situation for animal rights activists who seek to have no animal as pets. Registration and/or licensing is another step to restricted ownership....which I am not necessarily against. However, as mankind continues to poach, strip away forests and food sources for parrots/birds, we need to do all we can to ensure that species do not disappear. Ethical breeding and parrot ownership will play an important part. I do support a having a standard of care established as I am not sure there is one that is based on the safety, emotional and physical needs of parrots. Certainly, they require a different level of care that other domesticated animals don't.

I am guessing we are going to see a lot more of these situations come to light and I shudder to think about the plight of these poor birds, but I am also concerned about my right to have them in my home. Just my thoughts.

[The Pinkertons]

I am guessing we are going to see a lot more of these situations come to light and I shudder to think about the plight of these poor birds, but I am also concerned about my right to have them in my home. Just my thoughts.
Yes ,I agree it is complicated on many levels. Possibly one way of approaching this would be a more severe punishment on the individual perpetrator.

[lolsavannahh]

Maybe enough enforcement may just be that you have to have the "license" card with you when purchasing from a breeder or rescue... That selling privately will be done at your own risk. I know that won't stop non licensed users to do it, but it may help! This would FORCE people do read up on these very time and money consuming creatures.

[Dragonlady2]

Yes ,I agree it is complicated on many levels. Possibly one way of approaching this would be a more severe punishment on the individual perpetrator.

Absolutely agree that consequences need to be more severe. Unfortunately, I think that a lot of people that end up in hoarding situations have some mental health issues. They start, but then continue and whatever need drives this, outweighs the threat of any consequence. I would like to see severe consequences for unethical breeders who know exactly what they are doing when they keep birds just to breed and sell, who don't care what conditions the birds live under....just as long as they keep producing babies.

[The Pinkertons]

Absolutely agree that consequences need to be more severe. Unfortunately, I think that a lot of people that end up in hoarding situations have some mental health issues. They start, but then continue and whatever need drives this, outweighs the threat of any consequence. I would like to see severe consequences for unethical breeders who know exactly what they are doing when they keep birds just to breed and sell, who don't care what conditions the birds live under....just as long as they keep producing babies.Many/ Not all... of these rescues/ breeders are actually hoarders , That have a demi-god delusional mental issue. and yes I completely agree about Hoarders I have Had that experience within my own family, It is a mental health issue .

[Casper's 2nd best friend]

We have the freedom to control the lives of as many creatures as we choose.


With freedom comes responsibility

We need to control the irresponsible whilst maintaining the freedom of those who act properly. So... a licence is a permit to act freely and should only be issued with consideration and prudence.

[The Pinkertons]

We need to control the irresponsible whilst maintaining the freedom of those who act properly. So... a licence is a permit to act freely and should only be issued with consideration and prudence. I agree, and as I stated earlier. There are many facets to this issue that need to be addressed, and a license is "one of the many solutions", a one size fits all approach, of course, is not a comprehensive means to and end, in this overwhelming plight of the Human condition . A proactive approach is the best course, in taking a " dent " out of this problem that plagues' the animals, that we share this planet with.

[Christinenc2000]

It is heartbreaking. From what I understand most of the hoarders start off with just one or two. People will drop off their unwanted and it blooms from there.

One hoarder said they would contact people on Craigs list offering to just take the bird. Most would say no but after they can't sell they would call the hoarder back telling them to just come take the bird.

If you listen to the News Reporter she stated there is a regulation in place they could only have three dogs on a lot that size . NOTHING in place saying how many Birds. RAID AT ATLANTA DOCTOR'S HOME: Hundreds of birds living in poor conditions seized from home | WSB-TV
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Most rescues operate on donations. A few do not adopt birds out. I know there is one in NC that does not adopt out and they are growing. Relying on donations and free labor to build more outside Aviary for the birds and food donations. The birds stay outside all year. When asked they say the birds adapt to the weather. They cover the outside aviary with plastic. They are doing well now but what happens when/if Donations stop . The owner is left to care for these birds alone.

There are no regulations in place. No one wants to be told how many birds they can keep. If you start taking in dogs there are regulations in place. You are required to have a kennel permit. Should the same not be put in place for the protection of the Birds ? Don't attack the poster I am just asking a question. A lot of people would be placed in the regulation of having to have a Permit because of the number of birds they keep. I have two dogs and I am required to have a license for them. Tags. Shots . Are birds any less important ?

I only have one bird. Two years this coming October. I do not have the time or money to care for more than one . So I know my limit. Working a full time job there just is no time. BUT what if I were home all day . Who knows.

This is the 3rd time I have read about it in less than 30 days. Most of the posters are just saying I can take a few. Flippers come out in great numbers wanting " a few of the birds " . Birds are adopted out. People are happy. The situation went away. On to the next.

I am so glad to see this site talking about the situation. Most are ignoring it.

[mdg1109]

Just a thought, but you could reach out to the local pet stores and see if they would be willing to donate some items like cages food etc.

Also, A&E cage company might be willing to donate....just some thoughts

Those poor birds, this is heartbreaking.

[plax]

A very good and important topic. Thanks to each of you for your input... it's very much appreciated!

[The Pinkertons]

I am so glad to see this site talking about the situation. Most are ignoring it.
Christine

I want to thank you for the recognition of our Mission here on P.P.'s Genuine Compassion , Support and Wellbeing, for all captive birds...we are their voice.

Once again thank you for setting us apart , it's a great compliment. :thank you:

[lolsavannahh]

It is heartbreaking. From what I understand most of the hoarders start off with just one or two. People will drop off their unwanted and it blooms from there.

One hoarder said they would contact people on Craigs list offering to just take the bird. Most would say no but after they can't sell they would call the hoarder back telling them to just come take the bird.

If you listen to the News Reporter she stated there is a regulation in place they could only have three dogs on a lot that size . NOTHING in place saying how many Birds. RAID AT ATLANTA DOCTOR'S HOME: Hundreds of birds living in poor conditions seized from home | WSB-TV
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Most rescues operate on donations. A few do not adopt birds out. I know there is one in NC that does not adopt out and they are growing. Relying on donations and free labor to build more outside Aviary for the birds and food donations. The birds stay outside all year. When asked they say the birds adapt to the weather. They cover the outside aviary with plastic. They are doing well now but what happens when/if Donations stop . The owner is left to care for these birds alone.

There are no regulations in place. No one wants to be told how many birds they can keep. If you start taking in dogs there are regulations in place. You are required to have a kennel permit. Should the same not be put in place for the protection of the Birds ? Don't attack the poster I am just asking a question. A lot of people would be placed in the regulation of having to have a Permit because of the number of birds they keep. I have two dogs and I am required to have a license for them. Tags. Shots . Are birds any less important ?

I only have one bird. Two years this coming October. I do not have the time or money to care for more than one . So I know my limit. Working a full time job there just is no time. BUT what if I were home all day . Who knows.

This is the 3rd time I have read about it in less than 30 days. Most of the posters are just saying I can take a few. Flippers come out in great numbers wanting " a few of the birds " . Birds are adopted out. People are happy. The situation went away. On to the next.

I am so glad to see this site talking about the situation. Most are ignoring it.

I agree, you need to have some kind of permit to own more than say 2 birds.. parrots are a huge responsibility and are very exotic creatures that just about everyone wants to own but doesn't want to do the work or money.. it's sad
I volunteer for Papayago Rescue house here in GA, near the area of the hoarding raid, but recently as many of you may know the Papayago had to shut down all operations and we all had to take in a bird or more for fostering.. Paperwork and legalities and all are in place and even the Department of Agriculture could come to my house to inspect technically.. We cannot take in any more birds, but we are still helping any ways we can.. Volunteer days to come, toy/food drives and fundraising. When Papayago gets a new house or storefront we will be moving the birds there, all 40 of them, ( if we have 40 birds and it was stuffing our house... I can't even imagine how this guy had 400 in any dekalb county home... ) and will likely be in contact with the shelter to take as many as we humanly can.. but it won't be a lot likely.
I am really glad too that we are discussing this specific topic, but also other situations like this and are brainstorming ways that this could be prevented in the future.. I am always glad to be a part of this community!(:


Just a thought, but you could reach out to the local pet stores and see if they would be willing to donate some items like cages food etc.

Also, A&E cage company might be willing to donate....just some thoughts

Those poor birds, this is heartbreaking.

I will contact any local stores, but it is few and far between out here with stores that have bird stuff. Petsmart and Petco are large vendors, but I highly doubt they would be willing to give anything away for free considering they sell small bags of millet for 10$ here.. *sigh*

A&E sounds like a good idea.. I will try to get in contact with them! Thank you!

[mdg1109]

Savannah, I understand what you mean the PetSmart here is full of stuff that is overpriced and gets destroyed within minutes of bringing it home and does not carry the healthy food for the birds.

The Petco where I live does not have a large bird selection also but we have made friend with the store manager as she truly has a zoo and is very passionate about animals. If you send me the information of where the birds went I will reach out to her and see if maybe she can go through a higher channel to maybe get some items donated for the birds that were rescued.

Thank you for all that you do for our feathered friends.

[lolsavannahh]

mdg1109
She or anyone you know can send donations to the Dakalb county animal services address in Dekalb Georgia. They will accept all donations and from there the volnteers must pick up and bring the cages, food, toys, etc. to the undisclosed location where the birds are currently being held. Right now we need toys of all sizes, Zupreem pellets ( they have colored ones now so I say stick to that so we don't switch the brand of food up too much ), large bird cages (we have millions of Amazons that need appropriately sized cages, they CAN be used cages! ), newspaper, Simply green cleaning spray, 5 gal buckets, watering cans with a single hole lid ( not a gardening one with many holes ), treats, millet, perches, nectar for lorikeets, annddd... I think that is it right now.. I can add to the list as it comes but if any of you can ship that to them or drop it off that would be awesome!

[lolsavannahh]

Update on birds:

We have a feather AND a beak disease outbreak among them.. We have hopefully taken out all of the carriers of the disease and have moved them all to another building where they are getting treated. Remaining birds are still getting new and bigger cages. we moved some cockatiels out to a bigger cage and they were all friendly!(: A lot of the birds are which makes me SO happy. We have a hawkhead and he has chosen his one woman as his own.. hates everyone else XD. There is a lori that has chosen me, he is very cute and super playful! Bites everyone else who goes near him but has never ever bitten me.

I hope to go again this sunday before school starts up on monday... hate that I can't go when school is in except for sundays.

We are in dire need of volunteers... nobody showed up today and there were 2 people ( who run the thing and sleep there ) who were there and had to do it all.. If i didn't have to work 8 hours every day at inconvenient times, then have my parrots to come home to I would be there every day.. unfortunately I live an hour and a half without traffic... almost 3 hours with :( atlanta traffic is crazy, never move here!!! XD

[Dragonlady2]

Thanks for the update Savannah. Sad news about the Feather and Beak disease. You are wonderful for staying committed to helping.
Hopefully, they will all find homes soon.

[The Pinkertons]

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Savannah be very careful when handling birds with this very contagious viral disease. You would not want to bring this to the pet store that you work at. Also to your Nash and your foster bird, .
Please follow the link that I provided for reference , STRICT SANITARY PROTOCOL IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE

Savannah...if you haven't already done so, I urge you to familiarize yourself to this very Contagious Disease.

[Dragonlady2]

I definitely agree with Suzanne on this. I presumed that you all would have taken the necessary precautions regarding potential for transferring any disease before beginning rescue efforts?

[Blancaej]

I agree with you both. Poor Savannah doesn't want to end up bringing disease home to her own fid or those at the pet store. Hope precautions were taken!

[lolsavannahh]

I am already very well aware of the contageousness of this disease, and have taken proper precautions. These diseases are why we are losing so many volunteers. I have a second house I stay at for a full 24 hours before I go back to my birds, and take two showers before I visit them. My parents are divorced and I live with my father, and when I go see the birds I go to my moms house for the night and shower thoroughly, and wash the clothes immediately.

We tell everyone about this before they sign any papers to volunteer, and we make sure they know the dangers. The majority of our birds look very healthy, but we know that it doesn't always show up physically first. We are working on getting them all separated in different cages but obviously that may never happen considering the large number

A lot of people are not as lucky as I am with the whole "two house" thing, and can't volunteer anymore. It is very sad that these birds have this disease, and yes unfortunately we cannot get any of them adopted or rescued out until this disease goes away. We have quarantined all the carriers, and are medicating them, and are thinking of a plan of action for every other bird. Only a few actually carry the disease in their blood and give it out, but we believe a lot of them have it.. if not all of them.

[Dragonlady2]

Thanks for the update Savannah and I am so happy to hear that you knew to take necessary precautions for yourself and your birds.

They are so lucky that you are able to continue to volunteer. Are there enough donations to cover vet costs? This seems like a monumental task to vet every bird. Are the vets involved donating any of their time/costs?

[lolsavannahh]

considering there is no real cure for this disease... we are working with them as best we can. We do have a medicine for the carriers that seems to be working but we don't know for sure. vet bills for all of these birds will be well over 10000$ and we definately don't have those in donations.

( just realized that my first post about the disease seems very rude.. oops... Didn't mean it that way! Thank you all for looking out for me and my flock! I know I would do the same for you all (: )

[The Pinkertons]

Savannah, I commend you on your selfless act of compassion for these poor creatures that have no choice and are at the mercy of human caregivers. I'm relived to hear that you are following proper disinfecting protocol.

P.P. is very forunate to have you as a Supporting Member and Advocate for the Vision, and Mission, in which Precisely Parrots endeavors... to guide and educate people in the Safety and Wellbeing of all Companion Birds,.

Thank you Savannah for your knowledgeable contributions . :colorflash:

[Dragonlady2]

Savannah, do you know if they (courts/vets) will be seeking vet costs from the owner? It only seems right that he be on the hook for the costs.

As well, do you know what the plan is with regard to rehoming? I just know that there is no way that I could take a chance with my flock and adopt any bird that I knew had contact with or was infected with PFBD. I hope there will be some good come out of this for the birds…this is heartbreaking.

[Blancaej]

Such a great thing you are doing here! Thank you for helping out! Volunteers like you are so important in these situations!

[PlaxMacaws]

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[lolsavannahh]

I can't see those links because of the computer I am on.. but if it was not already mentioned, he was arrested for the felony! We got him to sign the birds over as well, and we are already planning on what to do with the majority of them. A lot are going to aviaries in rescues and sanctuaries, and some will be sent to rescues to be sold as pets(: We are so glad that it is down to this.. I am not sure about their latest environmental tests and if they came back positive or not, but I am hoping for the best! These birds have gone through so much I am so glad to be a part of it!

( I am considering fostering a Jardine's parrot.. but I am not sure I am ready for 3! haha If the environmental tests come back clear I will consider it more, but I really don't want to risk my own birdies getting sick! )

[PlaxMacaws]

I can't see those links because of the computer I am on.. but if it was not already mentioned, he was arrested for the felony! We got him to sign the birds over as well, and we are already planning on what to do with the majority of them. A lot are going to aviaries in rescues and sanctuaries, and some will be sent to rescues to be sold as pets(: We are so glad that it is down to this.. I am not sure about their latest environmental tests and if they came back positive or not, but I am hoping for the best! These birds have gone through so much I am so glad to be a part of it!

( I am considering fostering a Jardine's parrot.. but I am not sure I am ready for 3! haha If the environmental tests come back clear I will consider it more, but I really don't want to risk my own birdies getting sick! )They've reported his arrest and his mugshot is at the top of the story. They emphasized that the birds are being held as evidence and will not be available for adoption (at least until the court releases them from evidence).

Thanks Savannah. Your assistance in helping these poor birds is commendable!

[The Pinkertons]

( I am considering fostering a Jardine's parrot.. but I am not sure I am ready for 3! haha If the environmental tests come back clear I will consider it more, but I really don't want to risk my own birdies getting sick! )

Seems this story is turning-out for the best...thanks to the efforts of people like yourself !,. How exciting to learn that you may take in one of them, I'm keeping positive thoughts that all of them will have a good outcome :th_smile:

[Blancaej]

Wow, the article was interesting. I don't think this guy is all there living like that. Crazy to think he is a cardiologist! So glad things are improving for the birds that survived.

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[lolsavannahh]

yeah.. it was very surprising to hear that this man was a highly esteemed doctor, like a cardiologist.. would've never guessed. Glad he is locked up!!

[Lady]

I think this "doctor" needs more than just being locked away. It is encouraging to know he will not ever be allowed to keep any animals in the future, which makes me concerned that if he doesn't get some mental help and slips through the cracks who or what could suffer under his house next.